Could a Sikeston-Scott Central matchup be ahead?
There was plenty of talk before and after the Southeast Missourian Christmas Tournament about a potential Sikeston vs. Scott County Central matchup, especially after the Braves picked apart Notre Dame for an 18-point win in Tuesday's championship.
The debate is fueled by the rankings of both teams (Scott County Central is No. 1 in our SEMO Top 25, and Sikeston is No. 2) and comments earlier this month from Sikeston administrators who say their program has nothing to gain by playing the 12-time state champion. Scott Central, on the other hand, appears to be chomping at the bit for its first matchup with Sikeston since 1971.
Now there's speculation that the Cape Girardeau tournament could lose one of its teams in the next two years for its first lineup change since Egyptian, Ill., dropped out in 1984 (then known by its original and less-corporate name, University High Christmas Tournament).
It's no secret Sikeston, Perryville and New Madrid County Central have been jostling in line for years for a spot in the tournament, with Sikeston said to be at the top of the list.
Sure, Sikeston all-stater Michael Porter could be gone by the time the matchup happens — even if it comes next year. And yes, any addition to the tournament would have to be approved by the remaining schools involved.
But at least there's added hope that a Sikeston-Scott Central matchup could happen sooner rather than later.
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As a Sikeston alum and fan, I would LOVE for Sikeston to get in the tournament....no matter who we play. It would be very good for our school. I hope it's true that someone is dropping out...and not purely specualation or rumor. However, Jamie, I'm not suggesting you are starting rumors. Sometimes one person mentions something and the rumor takes on a life of its own.
Ha, according to most Sikeston fans on here and mosports, the cape tournament isn't worth their time
I don't think I've heard anybody say Sikeston doesn't belong in the Cape tournament. I just read a few talking about the caliber of the competition in the PB tourney. Sikeston would LOVE to get in the Cape tournament. They've been on the waiting list for 15 or more years.
I wouldn't read too much into the comment about Sikeston not having anything to gain by playing SCC. That was just a moronic comment by somebody that is completely unaware of the tradition and success of SCC. Sikeston's players and coaches would want nothing more than to take on SCC. Administrators are looking at the political reasons for not playing SCC. Not the athletic reasons.
This would be great for Sikeston and for the tournament. Droping some of the schools that get beat every year and adding Sikeston or NMCC would help make for some better games on the first day. And I wouldn't have to drive all over southeast Missouri to watch Sikeston and the Southeast Missourian Christmas Tournament.
Fatboy
Why doesn't the tournament broadcast the games on the internet?
If you're referring to the SEMO Christmas tournament, I believe every game was broadcast on AM 1220, which does a live internet feed.
If you're referring to the Poplar Bluff tournament, Sikeston's games are always on the internet, and PB is supposed to have a site where you can listen online, but I haven't got it to work yet. I'm not sure about NMCC though.
Video feeds are not done for numerous reasons, but I'm guessing it's mainly so they don't cut in on attendance.
Hope its next year then. Are you sure Sikeston is at the top?Whose droppin out?
I was wondering about live video feeds on the internet. KFVS does it for games with SEMO and Sikeston. I would think someone would want to do it for the holiday tournament.
why not split the tourney up into small and big schools so you can invite bluff, new madrid, sikeston, or other schools. The small schools play each others than the large play each other. Then the winners of the big play the small and so on down the line. It would last the same amount of days at the most one more day. Carbondale does it and it is a success.
sikeston and SCC both have a good day to have the game.
Feb 10, sikesotn plays oran, and the same day scc plays saxony. The show me center is open that day. make it happen ( from semoball)
http://semoball.com/blogs/carrig/entry/23158/
Not too many large schools in the Cape Christmas tourney: Cape, Notre Dame, Jackson. Instead of adding Sikeston and New Madrid, why not drop Cape, Notre Dame and Jackson and pick up 3 small schools in their place; then, all games are competitive. Right?
Wrong! Tournament is fine the way it is. The only complaining comes from the teams that are wanting in it.
No, the tournament is not fine the way it is. I have no dog in the fight and I have zero interest in the first two days of the tournament. I would love to see Sikeston, NMCC, and Poplar Bluff in this thing, replacing some of the non-competitive small schools. We all know who they are. They are the teams that go 0-2 every single year and once every millenium win a game or maybe two.
so what? they keep coming to the tourney because it provides an opportunity for those players to play on the big stage for, perhaps, once during their season; you don't have to come to the tournament the first day, I don't; aren't most tournaments blowouts during the first round? that's the purpose of these Shootouts that are now being staged, to put competitive teams against one another for the enjoyment of the fans; go to a few of those; leave the Christmas tourney as is; there have been years when the small schools rose to the top, i.e. Advance, Bell City, Delta, SCC, Howardsville, Lilbourn......once again, the tourney is fine the way it is; if some team decides it doesn't want to return, then replace it, but don't force any team out
You put Sikeston, NMCC, and Poplar Bluff in the Cape tournament, then you can double your attendance.
I have a suggestion for the Cape tourney: quit letting people arrive reserve an entire row of seats for those that arrive a couple of hours later; Jackson fans are the worst at doing that. A fan or two will arrive for the first game of the session and spread their coats, hats, purses, dogs, cats, underwear and whatever else they can muster over an entire row of seats and hold them for 2-3 games before their buddies show up to occupy them.
That practice ought to be disallowed and ShowMe Center ushers should put an end to it!
How does playing in an empty SMC against a team that is going to win by 50 provide players the opportunity to play on the big stage?
those kids are getting to play on the SMC court; that's the Big Stage for them
why do you think they have kept coming to the tourney for years? certainly not to go get beat by 50; they enjoy the experience of just being there; sort of like some teams that make it to the NCAA but get beat by 50 in the first round
I know a lot of guys that went to those schools that got beat by 50 on the "big stage." None of them enjoyed that experience. In fact, they were embarrassed. Perhaps it's the coaches or the administrators at those schools wanting the pay-day?
You must not have played many sports if you think getting annihilated in a game is worth it as long as you play on a college floor. It's embarrassing and demoralizing.
I know a lot of guys that went to those schools that got beat by 50 on the "big stage." None of them enjoyed that experience. In fact, they were embarrassed. Perhaps it's the coaches or the administrators at those schools wanting the pay-day?
You must not have played many sports if you think getting annihilated in a game is worth it as long as you play on a college floor. It's embarrassing and demoralizing.
gosh, those schools have been in this tournament for years and years; in fact, some of the coaches were on teams that got "embarrassed and demoralized" but they're still not dropping out; wonder why?
sounds like you may have been on one of the teams that "embarrassed and demoralized" one of those teams; if so, shame on you and your team!
I dare say that I participated in more different sports than most; and, I was on teams that got "embarrassed and demoralized" but it sure didn't make me quit or even want to quit; in fact, I just accepted my lumps and continued on; I was happy to play in that tournament; would rather have played in the tourney that sat in the stands and viewed as a spectator.
Only one thing keeping them in the tournament....money.
That and the fact that now according to MSHSAA you can no longer have a tournament of this size. The Christmas tournament was grandfathered in.
I left the comment about doing big and small school tourney and reading what people said after what I wrote is the main complaint about the tourney is teams not in it and no interest until about the last day. That is where my comment makes perfect SENSE! It allows small teams to compete against their own competition and then also see how they do against bigger schools as well. It allows more enjoyment for the fans because of better match ups. Not only could you add Sikeston, Bluff, or New Mad but you could add saxony or some other smaller school. It would make the tournament one of the better ones in the state. UP there with the Meramec Christmas tourney. The people that think this is dumb are retarded because it clearly allows better games and entertainment every educated basketball person I have talked to agrees with me
so, if you add more large schools, wouldn't you have to kick out some small schools?
and, what would be the small-large classifications?
large - class 4&5?
small - classes 1-3?
as mentioned previously, the only large schools presently in the tourney are Notre Dame, Cape Central and Jackson; add NMCC, Sikeston and PB (which I doubt they'd abandon their tourney to come to Cape), you still only have 6 large schools
if you add Class 3 to the large schools, then you add Scott City, Kelly, and Charleston to the mix...that makes it 9 large schools...and, is that fair to a small Class 3 school, i.e. Kelly or Charleston, to compete against a Class 5 school the size of Jackson? just going by enrollment numbers, I think not; but, tradition says those schools can compete.
So, back to the original premise; why divide the schools into large and small classes if disparity will remain in the enrollment numbers when divided into two divisions? You can't do it based on tradition; you have to go by enrollment
Give me more detail and convince me; you sure aren't doing a very good job throwing out generalities
just reorganize both the Bloomfield and Cape tourneys; send all small schools to Bloomfield and have all large schools come to Cape; logistically, it won't work having both large and small combined in one tourney and splitting them into divisions; aren't enough large schools in either tourney
all i know is carbondale has done it and it is a lot more enjoyable tournament then the one at cape. I don't even go until the last day where as in Carbondale I could go every day.. so if you don't like it i understand you are just an old fart who does not like change for some reason... but the Carbondale tournament is a lot better
If you don't like the Cape tournament, don't go. Sounds simple to me. If you don't like whats on TV, change the channel.
But who is talking about dropping out?
The whole point is, he probably WANTS to go to the Cape Tournament. True, you can skip it if it's not enjoyable. But he's offering suggestions in making it better and more interesting to everybody in the area. We're not worried about keeping a few non-competitive schools happy. We want a better tournament.
to get the kind of tournament you want, it would take reorganizing more than just the Cape tourney; to get a requisite number of large schools, it would require a team or two from Bloomfield and teams from the Bluff tourney which would require reorganizing their tourneys, too; is Bluff going to disband their tournament to appease you folks? I doubt it.
I can see your point for wanting a more competitive tournament, but it's just not in the cards. In most tourneys, first round games are blowouts, even in districts. I guess you'll be wanting to reorganize the state tournament next, just to make it more competitive.
The state tournament reorganizes itself on a yearly basis. Usually two-year intervals. They rotate districts so that you can face different opponents and not have to face the same teams every single year.
I beg to differ; when teams move up or down in classification, it warrants a shuffling of teams within any given district; however, it's basically the same teams from year to year; and, beyond district play, sectionals are the same two district champions pitted against one another year after year; the shuffling actually occurs at the final four level so the same areas of the state will not face one another year after year
Semo?? the "big stage" hahaha
as big as it'll ever get for some
Well, for example. This year the District 1 winner in Class 4 could meet Borgia in the quarterfinals. Three years ago, Sikeston faced Borgia in the state championship game.
that could still be due to some teams moving up or down in classification causing a shuffling of districts; otherwise, it pretty much remains the same until the final four; but, you're getting away from the original premise of the district being non-competitive in the first round, just like the Cape tourney
I understand what you're saying, but the state brackets do rotate. One year ND played St. Charles in the semifinals. The next they played St. Charles West in the finals. Both are in the same district. This year, Borgia's district was moved to the top of the state bracket. But yes, we're off topic.
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